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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 22, 2013 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that unless you were there, you can't get IT, but you can defn buy it, and the more you buy it, the more it becomes IT.

I do believe that.

I think that an area we all neglected to account for in our discussion of it, IT, and whether IT exists, is what about the folks that went, and only found it, if even that?

Seriously...I wonder about the folks that saw the DEAD in the 60s, like my two older brothers. Few of those folks got on the wagon. I would say that a very important missing element isn't so much because it didn't happen then, it's that the IT myth wasn't really developed til the 70s.

I mean it. And, of course, I don't mean IT, except to downplay it.

Note to SB: love kicking this around; still believe the big IT is more myth, than reality, esp as the more folks talked about IT, the more it seemed to be more and more like religion...that's okay, of course, but I think IT is much more interesting as a myth that we all developed than some easily quantified "whole is greater than the sum of the parts" emergent property (group body odor, etc., etc.).

Note to LiA: thanks.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jan 22, 2013 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

Oh it's no myth my friend, it's for real...If the band believed it, that's good enough for me.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 23, 2013 12:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

Does the guy at 50:12 get it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9qSa8zw4hk

Not sure, but I think the guy at 9:14 might...

Jesus christ, fuckin' west coast kids just won't stop clapping.... (wha?)

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jan 23, 2013 6:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

Pissed off royalties guy? Naw man, he doesnt get "IT"

NOW, Poem guy? Fuck yea he gets "IT" How else could he come up with this epic masterpiece:

If the dead were to die
I'd have reason to cry,
'cus the band i used to see
would be a cold memory;
But if the dead were to live,
free concerts they'd give;
Jerry G. on guitar
Would bring ... near and far;
If the dead were deceased
there would be no street peace,
we'd take all the power,
skin the cat and take a shower;
But if the dead live long
we'll be singing there songs,
and we'll all be so glad
momma' hated diesel so bad.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Jan 23, 2013 6:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

I wonder if anyone has done a follow-up on some of the people who were in the GD Movie, like the dude who said the poem and others in that scene, the real HAPPY dude in the overalls at the beginning of Eyes of the World...

Was anyone here in that movie? If so, in which scene?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 23, 2013 4:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

The Myth of IT.

Perfect.

Commercial perpetuity.

Will "IT" die when people stop buying and selling "IT"?

Don't think so, but it'll get harder and harder to find "IT".

And what happens when we pass on? How many of the next generations will get "IT"? I doubt very much they'll buy any of "IT".



By the way, I asked my wife for her thoughts on "IT". Let's just say that her answer included some very colorful language best not repeated here.

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Jan 23, 2013 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Lurch gets IT

hahahah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKVfhZoFKX8

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 22, 2013 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

Hmm.
I don't know if this book centers on Dead posters because of a perceived "Dead market" out there now... It doesn't seem to be due to any Dead affection of the editor's; he points out that the band names on the posters were interchangeable, and it's all about the artists & artwork for him.

While not really adding to your discussion, I'll just mention that "it" (that special Dead magic) may have been perceived very differently in SF in the '60s; since then the Dead were very much part of a thriving counterculture scene. They were seen as standard-bearers of the scene, and perhaps musically more acid-oriented than other bands, but I don't see much contemporary mention of them being on another level than other performers. Later on when the touring scene grew in the '70s/80s, they became a whole counterculture in themselves, and that's when you might find the "myth" taking shape.
Thinking geographically, possibly you may also see special reverence for the Dead starting in New York, Boston & other points east, where they played more rarely. The "San Francisco sound" was a very alluring thing out east in the '60s, and it's well-known that the Dead found a particularly devoted fanbase there early on, versus the more casual California deadheads.
Even by 1970, the climate of Dead shows seems to have been different from more 'normal' rock shows, judging by constant references in reviews to their fanatical fans & bond with the audience, by often bewildered or hostile reviewers. It was already seen as a "cult" thing though, not a mass-popularity thing. And yet the idea of the nostalgia-timewarp "cult" band thrived & remained in later decades, no matter how successful & popular the Dead actually became.

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Jan 22, 2013 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

Which reminds me of a Bill Clintonism

not sure how accurate but the gist of IT is "Well that depends on your definition if IT" - something to do with a girl named Monica . . .

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 22, 2013 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

With the sweet bounce pass as he breaks for the hoop.

>"It depends on what the meaning of "is" is"
-B.C.

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Jan 22, 2013 1:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

Thanks - that's the one . . . the old brain cells are not what they used to be!!!

P.S. check the ALO show I rec'd - it does not disappoint

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Jan 22, 2013 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

Jazz Alley is a mural of "IT"
why was "IT" painted this way by Terry McNerney in Fort Collins?

mural painted by Terry McNerney - image shows the southern entrance to Jazz Alley
jazz_alley01.jpg

mural painted by Terry McNerney - image shows further into southern entrance to Jazz Alley
jazz_alley02.jpg

image shows "IT" in the upper-center of the lower level of Jazz Alley
jazz_alley07.jpg

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 22, 2013 10:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Art of the Dead: is 'it' 'IT'?

Yeah, he had to repaint Jerry to delete part of the finger, right? And people have complained about the tie dye on '90s Jerry.

What I want to know is what Grant is apparently doing there, since he once said, "I only know two tunes: One is Yankee Doodle and the other one isn't."

I don't think Grant would have gotten IT.


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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jan 22, 2013 1:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: believe It if you need It

or leave it if you dare